Soviet Montage Productions

Soviet Montage who? On the radar!

Very interesting results. Would love to get more information on the post processing end of the footage shot.

Soviet Montage who? On the radar!

Very interesting results. Would love to get more information on the post processing end of the footage shot.

now get a 3rd MarkII and shoot behind the scenes~! awesome work and proves once again that Russia is far ahead of the Arts Game and the Future of Prosperity on this planet than it’s Old chum the USA…

now get a 3rd MarkII and shoot behind the scenes~! awesome work and proves once again that Russia is far ahead of the Arts Game and the Future of Prosperity on this planet than it’s Old chum the USA…

Ha, yes, we do have a few behind-the-scenes shots, but no video unfortunately. We are based in the US, though. Soviet Montage is just a name taken from an editing technique. See the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_montage_theory

Ha, yes, we do have a few behind-the-scenes shots, but no video unfortunately. We are based in the US, though. Soviet Montage is just a name taken from an editing technique. See the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_montage_theory

Before you post to slashdot, you should be sure you have adequate bandwidth.

Before you post to slashdot, you should be sure you have adequate bandwidth.

Excelent!

Excelent!

I’m surprised that you get “overexposed” and “underexposed” wrong in your movie subtitles. Doesn’t come across as very professional.

Looks absolutely amazing.

Looks absolutely amazing.

I’m surprised that you get “overexposed” and “underexposed” wrong in your movie subtitles. Doesn’t come across as very professional.

Really good job guys. I Like it ! Looking forward for your next release. Could you you give us more information on the post processing work ?

Really good job guys. I Like it ! Looking forward for your next release. Could you you give us more information on the post processing work ?

Peering at the demo reel here, I can see that the method needs some work – in particular, the mix between the under- and over-exposed images is allowed to vary from frame to frame for objects that aren’t moving. This causes objects and backgrounds to flicker with movement or panning. Doing a really good job of motion estimation between frames would be key to fixing this. That being said, an impressive first step.

Erich, perhaps you failed to notice that “Soviet Montage” hails from San Francisco, on the left coast of the USA.

Peering at the demo reel here, I can see that the method needs some work – in particular, the mix between the under- and over-exposed images is allowed to vary from frame to frame for objects that aren’t moving. This causes objects and backgrounds to flicker with movement or panning. Doing a really good job of motion estimation between frames would be key to fixing this. That being said, an impressive first step.

Erich, perhaps you failed to notice that “Soviet Montage” hails from San Francisco, on the left coast of the USA.

Just noticed that and upped the bandwidth tremendously. Sorry for any delays, folks.

Just noticed that and upped the bandwidth tremendously. Sorry for any delays, folks.

I think you have the over/under exposure labels switched…

I think you have the over/under exposure labels switched…

Remarkable achievement!
It looks weird to me but I imagine there will be a solid 10-15 year hdr film rage. I wish you good luck with it. Maybe RED will sponsor a full film? I’m thinking Redbull activity + RED cameras + Soviet Montage technique ftw.
I was raised with under/over exposed definitions opposite yours.

Remarkable achievement!
It looks weird to me but I imagine there will be a solid 10-15 year hdr film rage. I wish you good luck with it. Maybe RED will sponsor a full film? I’m thinking Redbull activity + RED cameras + Soviet Montage technique ftw.
I was raised with under/over exposed definitions opposite yours.

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HDR is over abused and most of the time makes pictures look like total cartoonish crap. HDR is useful when used very lightly almost to the point where you can’t tell its HDR. Watching the above videos I almost asked my self, what is wrong with their camera ?!

Its a interesting project, but I hope it doesn’t go further, Soon as Joe Shmo your average consumer gets a hold of it. Youtube is gonna be flooded with trash videos.

I used to like HDR, then people started to abuse it so widely I just can’t stomach it anymore.

HDR is over abused and most of the time makes pictures look like total cartoonish crap. HDR is useful when used very lightly almost to the point where you can’t tell its HDR. Watching the above videos I almost asked my self, what is wrong with their camera ?!

Its a interesting project, but I hope it doesn’t go further, Soon as Joe Shmo your average consumer gets a hold of it. Youtube is gonna be flooded with trash videos.

I used to like HDR, then people started to abuse it so widely I just can’t stomach it anymore.

I noticed that also. They’re probably going to want to fix that….

I noticed that also. They’re probably going to want to fix that….

A very interesting experiment, and quite frankly, just wow! This looks as realistic as that Final Fantasy: Advent Children 3D CG movie. In other words, not at all, that’s remarkable! Everybody loves the video game look.

The best part about this, moreover, is that you don’t have to work to expose the right way anymore in order to achieve a feeling, mood, or cinematic atmosphere anymore!

A very interesting experiment, and quite frankly, just wow! This looks as realistic as that Final Fantasy: Advent Children 3D CG movie. In other words, not at all, that’s remarkable! Everybody loves the video game look.

The best part about this, moreover, is that you don’t have to work to expose the right way anymore in order to achieve a feeling, mood, or cinematic atmosphere anymore!

Hi Michael,

I must admit I am a little confused by your claim to be the first true HDR video sourced from multiple exposures.
It seems you guys are not aware of real true HDR Video camera’s that have been around for an expensive price for years?

Regards

John

Hi Michael,

I must admit I am a little confused by your claim to be the first true HDR video sourced from multiple exposures.
It seems you guys are not aware of real true HDR Video camera’s that have been around for an expensive price for years?

Regards

John

I found this via slashdot, and am amazed… and then realize that it’s taken from the roof of where my friends live. WOW. It’s an extraordinary look.

I found this via slashdot, and am amazed… and then realize that it’s taken from the roof of where my friends live. WOW. It’s an extraordinary look.

I don’t want to be the negative Nancy, but I think that people are missing a certain point; already, the dynamic range of just about any camera is better than just about ANY display capable of displaying images from said camera; LCD monitor, old CRT, don’t even mention digital projectors, so any gain in dynamic range on the camera side just makes the image display side look LESS contrasty.

Until the display technology is capable of MORE dynamic range than the camera (which is not going to happen anytime soon), HDR images will look like the ones demonstrated here: very low-contrast, washed-out, and frankly weird looking. I can see it being very useful in something like survey photography, scientific imaging, very technical applications like that. But for aesthetic photography or cinematography, it just looks unnatural.

Also, there is actually already a complete “High Dynamic Range” system for image capture AND image display; it’s called film and film projectors, and you only need one camera!

Sidenote because I’m an asshole: make sure your underexposed and overexposed frames are focused to the same distance (i.e. look at the guy on the roof), otherwise it looks like you don’t know what you’re doing.

I don’t want to be the negative Nancy, but I think that people are missing a certain point; already, the dynamic range of just about any camera is better than just about ANY display capable of displaying images from said camera; LCD monitor, old CRT, don’t even mention digital projectors, so any gain in dynamic range on the camera side just makes the image display side look LESS contrasty.

Until the display technology is capable of MORE dynamic range than the camera (which is not going to happen anytime soon), HDR images will look like the ones demonstrated here: very low-contrast, washed-out, and frankly weird looking. I can see it being very useful in something like survey photography, scientific imaging, very technical applications like that. But for aesthetic photography or cinematography, it just looks unnatural.

Also, there is actually already a complete “High Dynamic Range” system for image capture AND image display; it’s called film and film projectors, and you only need one camera!

Sidenote because I’m an asshole: make sure your underexposed and overexposed frames are focused to the same distance (i.e. look at the guy on the roof), otherwise it looks like you don’t know what you’re doing.

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It looks like a great step in the right direction. Keep up the good work. This appears better than most “HDR” images which simply look over-processed instead of realistic. You may want to fix the overexposed/underexposed gaffe, though.

It looks like a great step in the right direction. Keep up the good work. This appears better than most “HDR” images which simply look over-processed instead of realistic. You may want to fix the overexposed/underexposed gaffe, though.

I don’t like over-cooked HDR.

HDR is best when at first glance it doesn’t “look HDR” – it just looks like a natural image, or typical surreal photography. I don’t like it when people over-cook them not because they have a specific feel/effect in mind, but because they can.

Remember the HTML BLINK tag, or MARQUEE? Both were great ideas, and used effectively were great at highlighting certain elements. Then, people who have no artistic sense whatsoever discovered those tags and then every other element was either blinking or side scrolling. It got to the point where browsers dropped support for those tags because effect abuse became so overused.

Or, for a more current situation, refer to vocoder abuse – auto tune specifically. Thank T-pain for popularizing that atrocity!

HDR is a wonderful technique, but it is being abused by everyone “because they can.”

I don’t like over-cooked HDR.

HDR is best when at first glance it doesn’t “look HDR” – it just looks like a natural image, or typical surreal photography. I don’t like it when people over-cook them not because they have a specific feel/effect in mind, but because they can.

Remember the HTML BLINK tag, or MARQUEE? Both were great ideas, and used effectively were great at highlighting certain elements. Then, people who have no artistic sense whatsoever discovered those tags and then every other element was either blinking or side scrolling. It got to the point where browsers dropped support for those tags because effect abuse became so overused.

Or, for a more current situation, refer to vocoder abuse – auto tune specifically. Thank T-pain for popularizing that atrocity!

HDR is a wonderful technique, but it is being abused by everyone “because they can.”

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This is really cool. I saw it posted on Engadget and was happy to see San Francisco in full HDR motion.

I’m also very curious about the behind the scenes. I’m based in the bay area and can provide a 3rd 5D Mark II (and a 7D) if you need someone to shoot some behind the scenes video for you.

This is really cool. I saw it posted on Engadget and was happy to see San Francisco in full HDR motion.

I’m also very curious about the behind the scenes. I’m based in the bay area and can provide a 3rd 5D Mark II (and a 7D) if you need someone to shoot some behind the scenes video for you.

Looks like these guys did it 4 months ago with Reds on a beamsplitter.

http://vimeo.com/12828140

Looks like these guys did it 4 months ago with Reds on a beamsplitter.

http://vimeo.com/12828140

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yeah, when everyone starts to use something it becomes rubbish. god, i *hate* antibotics and the internet – they’re just so *common*…

HDR video looks awesome. really great work!

yeah, when everyone starts to use something it becomes rubbish. god, i *hate* antibotics and the internet – they’re just so *common*…

HDR video looks awesome. really great work!

Well, then we did it before that as well: http://vimeo.com/11255484

Doesn’t matter, though. It’s something we’ve been working on for a long, long time.

Well, then we did it before that as well: http://vimeo.com/11255484

Doesn’t matter, though. It’s something we’ve been working on for a long, long time.

What’s your point? I think what they did is far more important than how they call it. Don’t be such a snob and just appreciate it

What’s your point? I think what they did is far more important than how they call it. Don’t be such a snob and just appreciate it

I think this is basically Dynamic Range compression. It makes visible the ‘information’ that your equipment normally cannot display. Of course, it needs to break “realism” to do this, otherwise there would be no point to begin with (after all, the monitor can’t display reality)

I think this is basically Dynamic Range compression. It makes visible the ‘information’ that your equipment normally cannot display. Of course, it needs to break “realism” to do this, otherwise there would be no point to begin with (after all, the monitor can’t display reality)

Looks interesting but probably beyond the scope of the average amatuer…..I’m thinking about costs more than production.

Looks interesting but probably beyond the scope of the average amatuer…..I’m thinking about costs more than production.

1. Well, it’s certainly an opinion. I look at it like I look at different painting mediums.

2. I can’t say this is equivalent to blink or marquee. Blink and marquee are just annoying. You could never look at them and say “wow, art!”

3. This is nit-picking, but thats modified pitch correction/constraint, not vocoding. Vocoding involves using a voice (or other input) to modulate a carrier (typically a synthesizer or other instrument).

4. Can you point me to some of this abuse? I can’t say I ever see it unless I go /looking/ for it, or in rare occasions when something like this shows up on a news aggregator like Slashdot.

1. Well, it’s certainly an opinion. I look at it like I look at different painting mediums.

2. I can’t say this is equivalent to blink or marquee. Blink and marquee are just annoying. You could never look at them and say “wow, art!”

3. This is nit-picking, but thats modified pitch correction/constraint, not vocoding. Vocoding involves using a voice (or other input) to modulate a carrier (typically a synthesizer or other instrument).

4. Can you point me to some of this abuse? I can’t say I ever see it unless I go /looking/ for it, or in rare occasions when something like this shows up on a news aggregator like Slashdot.

Cool to see!

Cool to see!

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How did you synchronize/genlock the two cameras?

How did you synchronize/genlock the two cameras?

frankly stupid :
yeah, when everyone starts to use something it becomes rubbish.

Classic strawman argument

frankly stupid :
yeah, when everyone starts to use something it becomes rubbish.

Classic strawman argument

Stunning demo!
As others commented here we can be sure that this will create a wave of HDR videos, good or bad but what the heck, I love HDR. I particularly enjoyed the “portrait” than the “landscape” part.

Stunning demo!
As others commented here we can be sure that this will create a wave of HDR videos, good or bad but what the heck, I love HDR. I particularly enjoyed the “portrait” than the “landscape” part.

Thanks to the magic of HDR, now almost anyone can look like a pumpkin.

Thanks to the magic of HDR, now almost anyone can look like a pumpkin.

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Wow.

Wow.

Wow, I guess Erich Noal Bertussi Davies can now say “Proves once again that the USA is far ahead of the Arts Game and the Future of Prosperity on this planet than it’s Old chum Russia”

He could say that, but I bet he won’t.

Personally, I think it’s cool, no matter what country it came from. Good work.

Wow, I guess Erich Noal Bertussi Davies can now say “Proves once again that the USA is far ahead of the Arts Game and the Future of Prosperity on this planet than it’s Old chum Russia”

He could say that, but I bet he won’t.

Personally, I think it’s cool, no matter what country it came from. Good work.

Nice work! Do you have a pic of the equipment all set up?

Nice work! Do you have a pic of the equipment all set up?

I would love to see some photos of the actual camera rig. I think I have it accurately pictured in my mind, but I’m not certain.

And I think the comments are wrong about the over/under-exposed labels being reversed. You need to think about slide film, not negative film, which is what movies are. I could be mis-remembering, it’s been 4 years since I processed and printed color film.

I would love to see some photos of the actual camera rig. I think I have it accurately pictured in my mind, but I’m not certain.

And I think the comments are wrong about the over/under-exposed labels being reversed. You need to think about slide film, not negative film, which is what movies are. I could be mis-remembering, it’s been 4 years since I processed and printed color film.

Haters are gonna hate lol. I think it’s a great accomplishment and it looks amazing. Can’t wait to see more from you guys!

Haters are gonna hate lol. I think it’s a great accomplishment and it looks amazing. Can’t wait to see more from you guys!

Easily as iconic as the 300 or Sin City look. Get your film out there! It is going to spark a slew of DPs playing catchup. Great works guys.

Easily as iconic as the 300 or Sin City look. Get your film out there! It is going to spark a slew of DPs playing catchup. Great works guys.

It would be great to see some photos of how you built the mount and the beam splitter.

Thanks and congrats, great images!

It would be great to see some photos of how you built the mount and the beam splitter.

Thanks and congrats, great images!

Nice Work!, how you do interlace the 2 videos? multiply effect or something like that? 50% each?

tks,

Nice Work!, how you do interlace the 2 videos? multiply effect or something like that? 50% each?

tks,

I couldn’t agree more.

The video of the man in HDR looks awful. I realize that these are tests, but there’s enough bad HDR out in the world already.

That said, when they applied the more realistic affect, it looked quite nice.

I couldn’t agree more.

The video of the man in HDR looks awful. I realize that these are tests, but there’s enough bad HDR out in the world already.

That said, when they applied the more realistic affect, it looked quite nice.

Fascinating…. I enjoyed the demo video. It would be interesting to see you take it a step further yet by doing a full stereoscopic 3D version of this! (I guess that would entail using 4 5D Mk II’s, right?) I’d love to see something like that, and view it on a really big screen! Let us all know if you get around to playing with something like that… and keep up the good work! …pay no attention to the naysayers that alwasys seem to pop up and want to throw water on the party… they’ve been doing that for most every new thing you can name… such as the HDSLRS (like the 5D Mk II…) but while they are griping and claiming that it’s all lame and pointless, countless people around them are pressing forward & making use of all of these new tools to do a lot of really cool things… no doubt the technique you are working on will end up being like that.

Fascinating…. I enjoyed the demo video. It would be interesting to see you take it a step further yet by doing a full stereoscopic 3D version of this! (I guess that would entail using 4 5D Mk II’s, right?) I’d love to see something like that, and view it on a really big screen! Let us all know if you get around to playing with something like that… and keep up the good work! …pay no attention to the naysayers that alwasys seem to pop up and want to throw water on the party… they’ve been doing that for most every new thing you can name… such as the HDSLRS (like the 5D Mk II…) but while they are griping and claiming that it’s all lame and pointless, countless people around them are pressing forward & making use of all of these new tools to do a lot of really cool things… no doubt the technique you are working on will end up being like that.

Updated. To be honest, we’ve been working hard on an actual film, and decided to toss this up last minute…the interest was overwhelming.

Updated. To be honest, we’ve been working hard on an actual film, and decided to toss this up last minute…the interest was overwhelming.

Great work! Looking forward to seeing more (and hopefully some of the behind the scenes series too

Great work! Looking forward to seeing more (and hopefully some of the behind the scenes series too

I want to know more about the beam splitter that was used.

I want to know more about the beam splitter that was used.

I am curious if you could create an effect like this by using one camera and duplicating the clips then manipulating the exposures in final cut, then utilizing composite mode to merge the clips. Anybody know how that could work or have tips…?

I am curious if you could create an effect like this by using one camera and duplicating the clips then manipulating the exposures in final cut, then utilizing composite mode to merge the clips. Anybody know how that could work or have tips…?

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Hi mates. Did you use some color correction after the shooting and render?

Hi mates. Did you use some color correction after the shooting and render?

Awesome next generation Video technology !!!
how great it would if 3D is combined with HDR …
……to create 3D HDR video

Great work Team Soviet Montage

Awesome next generation Video technology !!!
how great it would if 3D is combined with HDR …
……to create 3D HDR video

Great work Team Soviet Montage

can you tell me how you positioned the cameras so they were not in the shot? i assume you shot them both at the same time right? i’m having a brain fart figuring out how you did it.

can you tell me how you positioned the cameras so they were not in the shot? i assume you shot them both at the same time right? i’m having a brain fart figuring out how you did it.

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I’m guessing that this could be done with a 3D camera rig ( for 2 DSLRs ) and processed using the HDR capability of PhotoShop ( which can process video as well as stills )

I’m guessing that this could be done with a 3D camera rig ( for 2 DSLRs ) and processed using the HDR capability of PhotoShop ( which can process video as well as stills )

Umm no.. he meant overuse makes it rubbish. But that’s no reason not to develop it either.

Umm no.. he meant overuse makes it rubbish. But that’s no reason not to develop it either.

What is real?

What is real?

The main difference between the internet and antibiotics and this technique proposed here is that the internet and antibiotics are mostly good. HDR is mostly used in a tasteless way. I don’t need to point it out, any look through flickr for the HDR tag will serve the purpose.

The main difference between the internet and antibiotics and this technique proposed here is that the internet and antibiotics are mostly good. HDR is mostly used in a tasteless way. I don’t need to point it out, any look through flickr for the HDR tag will serve the purpose.

So the point of this is to break realism? I mean, I see the potential in being able to work with additional data for flexible post-processing, as well as being able to maintain a bit more detail in shadows if it really is what you need. Dynamic Range Compression, as you called it (we all love big technical words don’t we?) certainly shows how you’re able to capture data, but is this the intended purpose? Does one actually want to get rid of shadows and highlights, pushing everything into muddy mid-tones? If that is the intended final purpose, it frankly just looks like an amateur’s lack of decision at the time of exposure.

That said, I’m sure this would look great for the next Transformers movie. Looking forward to it.

So the point of this is to break realism? I mean, I see the potential in being able to work with additional data for flexible post-processing, as well as being able to maintain a bit more detail in shadows if it really is what you need. Dynamic Range Compression, as you called it (we all love big technical words don’t we?) certainly shows how you’re able to capture data, but is this the intended purpose? Does one actually want to get rid of shadows and highlights, pushing everything into muddy mid-tones? If that is the intended final purpose, it frankly just looks like an amateur’s lack of decision at the time of exposure.

That said, I’m sure this would look great for the next Transformers movie. Looking forward to it.

They did it more tastefully.

They did it more tastefully.

Amazing! Finally someone did it!!!
I would love to collaborate with you in the future!
Hit me up anytime
and congratulations again u guys have done it!

Amazing! Finally someone did it!!!
I would love to collaborate with you in the future!
Hit me up anytime
and congratulations again u guys have done it!

wow, amazing.
and inspirational.What did you use to line up the footage?

wow, amazing.
and inspirational.What did you use to line up the footage?

It wouldn’t, not with a 5D Mark II, at least. A contrast curve is applied to the footage in-camera, and all additional exposure data discarded before the file is saved. By doing what you mentioned, you either end up with just a low contrast image, or one with a ton of noise/banding, as if you were editing JPEG images. It’s a single exposure at the end of the day unless you use a method like this one.

It wouldn’t, not with a 5D Mark II, at least. A contrast curve is applied to the footage in-camera, and all additional exposure data discarded before the file is saved. By doing what you mentioned, you either end up with just a low contrast image, or one with a ton of noise/banding, as if you were editing JPEG images. It’s a single exposure at the end of the day unless you use a method like this one.

Oh look, the painful people from Slashdot have arrived. An unpleasant reminder of why I quit reading the comments on that site.

Anyway, I clicked around but you don’t seem to have anything about your setup. I presume you used a beamsplitter?

Oh look, the painful people from Slashdot have arrived. An unpleasant reminder of why I quit reading the comments on that site.

Anyway, I clicked around but you don’t seem to have anything about your setup. I presume you used a beamsplitter?

And you did not.

And you did not.

Great job! Keep up the good work…

BTW, WIKIPEDIA credits you guy with what appears to be the 1st HDR VIDEO footage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging

FROM WIKIPEDIA:

“Until recently, there were no “pure” examples of HDR based cinematography, since the effects were most commonly used during composited sequences in films. However, with the advent of low cost consumer digital cameras, many amateurs began posting tone-mapped HDR time-lapse videos on the Internet. On September 9, 2010, an independent production company called Soviet Montage released some of the first clips of HDR video shot at 24 frames per second.[25] Their footage was created by combining video captured from two Canon 5d Mark II’s.”

Jack

Great job! Keep up the good work…

BTW, WIKIPEDIA credits you guy with what appears to be the 1st HDR VIDEO footage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging

FROM WIKIPEDIA:

“Until recently, there were no “pure” examples of HDR based cinematography, since the effects were most commonly used during composited sequences in films. However, with the advent of low cost consumer digital cameras, many amateurs began posting tone-mapped HDR time-lapse videos on the Internet. On September 9, 2010, an independent production company called Soviet Montage released some of the first clips of HDR video shot at 24 frames per second.[25] Their footage was created by combining video captured from two Canon 5d Mark II’s.”

Jack

SUCH A NIT PICKER

SUCH A NIT PICKER

Amazing video!
I would like to know the camera position of those 2 cameras.
How to set them up?

Amazing video!
I would like to know the camera position of those 2 cameras.
How to set them up?

this is really amazing! if would be more good if supported with behind the scenes and making!

this is really amazing! if would be more good if supported with behind the scenes and making!

Namaruh :
The main difference between the internet and antibiotics and this technique proposed here is that the internet and antibiotics are mostly good. HDR is mostly used in a tasteless way. I don’t need to point it out, any look through flickr for the HDR tag will serve the purpose.

The Internet is the epitome of tasteless. And antibiotics are extremely overused. Your point being?

Namaruh :
The main difference between the internet and antibiotics and this technique proposed here is that the internet and antibiotics are mostly good. HDR is mostly used in a tasteless way. I don’t need to point it out, any look through flickr for the HDR tag will serve the purpose.

The Internet is the epitome of tasteless. And antibiotics are extremely overused. Your point being?

This is amazing! HDR has been done for quite sometime with still photography, but you guys have really found something here. I’m not sure if it’s been done before, but congratulations! I can’t wait to see a movie shot like this!

This is amazing! HDR has been done for quite sometime with still photography, but you guys have really found something here. I’m not sure if it’s been done before, but congratulations! I can’t wait to see a movie shot like this!

Interesting look. I hope you guys figure out the flicker issue.

Interesting look. I hope you guys figure out the flicker issue.

what would be the difference if you just use only one camera and change the exposures and then do the other procedures you did to make it HDR?

what would be the difference if you just use only one camera and change the exposures and then do the other procedures you did to make it HDR?

Does this imply that with a firmware update to the camera this could be done natively, without a beam-splitter and multiple cameras?

Or is there some special optical effect from having different apertures on each camera?

Does this imply that with a firmware update to the camera this could be done natively, without a beam-splitter and multiple cameras?

Or is there some special optical effect from having different apertures on each camera?

[...] a great debate going on in the comments of their site as to the merits of the technique, but we’ll leave you to make up your own mind [...]

Yea I really want to see the rig.

Yea I really want to see the rig.

[...] El vídeo a sido creado por Soviet Montage Productions [...]

It seems everyone here likes the subtle effect you have produced, the almost-can’t-tell level of application of the HDR effect. It is generally much better liked than the radical cartoonish bs that is all too common in HDR stills. The best advantage to me is the incredible detail captured on the highs and lows, and the ability to shoot in new lighting situations.

Also, there was a comment about multiple focus points I think. It seems then that you must not be shooting through one lense as has been speculated?

It seems everyone here likes the subtle effect you have produced, the almost-can’t-tell level of application of the HDR effect. It is generally much better liked than the radical cartoonish bs that is all too common in HDR stills. The best advantage to me is the incredible detail captured on the highs and lows, and the ability to shoot in new lighting situations.

Also, there was a comment about multiple focus points I think. It seems then that you must not be shooting through one lense as has been speculated?

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How about using two cameras, under 90 degree angle, with a semitransparent mirror as a splitter? Something like this:
Scene->–>–>–- – -> Camera 1
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Camera 2
Here the represents the semitransparent mirror.

Ok, the site wont let me put lots of spaces, but the vertical beam should be in line with the semitransparent mirror like so:

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onagrus :
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How about using two cameras, under 90 degree angle, with a semitransparent mirror as a splitter? Something like this:
Scene->–>–>–\- – -> Camera 1
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Camera 2
Here the \ represents the semitransparent mirror.

Ok, the site wont let me put lots of spaces, but the vertical beam should be in line with the semitransparent mirror like so:

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[...] out this sweet video made by San Francisco based Soviet Montage using two Canon EOS 5D Mark II DSLRs. Some people like the look of HDR (High Dynamic Range) photos [...]

you guys are fucking awesome. seriously great.

you guys are fucking awesome. seriously great.

[...] Nice HDR. [...]

Indeed it is full of exhibitions of tastelessness, created by people. Putting such a tool in the hands of the wrong people (or right, depending on your stance on the matter), could help make such displays of tastelessness mainstream.

Indeed it is full of exhibitions of tastelessness, created by people. Putting such a tool in the hands of the wrong people (or right, depending on your stance on the matter), could help make such displays of tastelessness mainstream.

No. If you were to do this, you’d require your subject to be still, and its motion repeatable verbatim, so that you’d be able to record the entire sequence twice, one after the other.

If they’re using a single lens and two cameras, the optical aperture is the same for both streams of footage.

If they’re using 2 separate cameras with individual lenses, they should be using the same aperture (for depth of field to be equal in both exposures) and instead adjust the camera’s ISO sensitivity. If the apertures don’t match, DOF won’t be the same, and additional problems will be introduced, unless they are accounted for.

No. If you were to do this, you’d require your subject to be still, and its motion repeatable verbatim, so that you’d be able to record the entire sequence twice, one after the other.

If they’re using a single lens and two cameras, the optical aperture is the same for both streams of footage.

If they’re using 2 separate cameras with individual lenses, they should be using the same aperture (for depth of field to be equal in both exposures) and instead adjust the camera’s ISO sensitivity. If the apertures don’t match, DOF won’t be the same, and additional problems will be introduced, unless they are accounted for.

Yes, this is serious. You guys know something more. Maybe we will see cameras with dual lenses sometime in the future. Wonder how those 3d cameras will go too. Looking forward to your upcoming release, can’t wait

Yes, this is serious. You guys know something more. Maybe we will see cameras with dual lenses sometime in the future. Wonder how those 3d cameras will go too. Looking forward to your upcoming release, can’t wait

That’s a great effect you accomplished there. Would you consider doing a walk-around video of the rig you used to create this piece?

Thanks in advance, nicely done.

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That’s a great effect you accomplished there. Would you consider doing a walk-around video of the rig you used to create this piece?

Thanks in advance, nicely done.

e

the same way as on this video i guess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX7ybS7fnow

the same way as on this video i guess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX7ybS7fnow

Man, lotsa negativity round here – I thought it was pretty cool. All of your uses of the technique have potential applications, whether subtle or more extreme – one more brush in the palette (well, several more).

I haven’t seen anything remotely like HDR used in any feature films or TV shows I’ve seen, but I could see it being a useful look. The fact that it’s been “overdone” is probably pretty meaningless to the average consumer.

And YouTube is chock full of “1 camera HDR” clips – some of them look kinda cool, and I could definitely see using even that look (maybe mixed with some median followed by sharpening) for a sort of posterized – painted look.

Sure, if this style takes off it could become overused and cliche; that doesn’t mean it’s “bad” when it’s a new tool, and who knows what styles will use bits of this or evolve from it? People though those early scifi lens flares were pretty awesome… for a while.

Man, lotsa negativity round here – I thought it was pretty cool. All of your uses of the technique have potential applications, whether subtle or more extreme – one more brush in the palette (well, several more).

I haven’t seen anything remotely like HDR used in any feature films or TV shows I’ve seen, but I could see it being a useful look. The fact that it’s been “overdone” is probably pretty meaningless to the average consumer.

And YouTube is chock full of “1 camera HDR” clips – some of them look kinda cool, and I could definitely see using even that look (maybe mixed with some median followed by sharpening) for a sort of posterized – painted look.

Sure, if this style takes off it could become overused and cliche; that doesn’t mean it’s “bad” when it’s a new tool, and who knows what styles will use bits of this or evolve from it? People though those early scifi lens flares were pretty awesome… for a while.

Could a similar effect be done with one camera? As in the fact that you used two, was that out of necessity or was it just easier that way?

I know this question may seem obvious, but hey you never know.

Could a similar effect be done with one camera? As in the fact that you used two, was that out of necessity or was it just easier that way?

I know this question may seem obvious, but hey you never know.

Hey Onagrus, check this out http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2100486&postcount=26

Hey Onagrus, check this out http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2100486&postcount=26

[...] shots that deserve to be on the site but have yet to appear.) In the meantime, please check out the mind-numbingly amazing concept of HDR video that was recently demonstrated by [...]

What about a 3x 5d mirror rig, with the 5ds standing vertical. Then you will get a 1:69 aspect ratio with a resolution of 3x HD. Then the video will have more detail and also a lot more bit rate. Sensor size will be bigger (72mmx36mm) and aspect flat like IMAX. Focus will be hard and also perspective when changing lenses. But the aligning of the cameras are not that hard.

Is this method going to work? Anybody want to try it out?

What about a 3x 5d mirror rig, with the 5ds standing vertical. Then you will get a 1:69 aspect ratio with a resolution of 3x HD. Then the video will have more detail and also a lot more bit rate. Sensor size will be bigger (72mmx36mm) and aspect flat like IMAX. Focus will be hard and also perspective when changing lenses. But the aligning of the cameras are not that hard.

Is this method going to work? Anybody want to try it out?

The mirror will help the cameras to stand close to each other; then we will get the possibility to take close focus.

I’m thinking of a rig like this. Two 5ds on each side on top, pointing vertically down into a mirror. And strait forward horizontally, strait though the transparent side of the mirror, one 5d right in between the framing of the other two cameras. Then the angles. The two 5ds on top need to have an angle to each side. Because ex. 50mm does have a 27 degree angle of view vertically when laid on the side. Therefore we need to correct the to 5d so we don’t get a picture overlapping situation.

The mirror will help the cameras to stand close to each other; then we will get the possibility to take close focus.

I’m thinking of a rig like this. Two 5ds on each side on top, pointing vertically down into a mirror. And strait forward horizontally, strait though the transparent side of the mirror, one 5d right in between the framing of the other two cameras. Then the angles. The two 5ds on top need to have an angle to each side. Because ex. 50mm does have a 27 degree angle of view vertically when laid on the side. Therefore we need to correct the to 5d so we don’t get a picture overlapping situation.

Do you think you can provide me information on how you achieved the HDR video effect, including equipments and software? I would also like to experiment with HDR cinematography using your practices. Thanks!

Do you think you can provide me information on how you achieved the HDR video effect, including equipments and software? I would also like to experiment with HDR cinematography using your practices. Thanks!

[...] Quizá yo sea el bicho raro y sea el resto del mundo quien tenga razón; pero, sinceramente, me importa un bledo. Lo peor de todo esto es que, cuando parecía que la fiebre del HDR en la fotografía había terminado. Ahora llega el HDR al vídeo. [...]

Been working on the site, specifically upgrading the comments section.

love it!

because one camera cant take 2 different simultaneous exposures
you could shoot it with one, but it would be a choppy video with a slight delay in motion

That’s how they do 3D for the big budget films so it’d definitely have potential.

This is just sickening! Shame on you >:-(

These panoramas are based on HDR imagery, as seen in the above screenshot, and can incorporate room navigation, 3D menus and banners, overview maps and …

Ma ora si sta sperimentando anche il video HDR. Dopo le prime prove, ottenute utilizzando due Canon 5D Mark II in contemporanea, dei ricercatori …

Delete.

We had an HDR video system in early 2000. The system is composed of three cameras and beam splitters. Here are the references of implementation and algorihtms:
http://vision.ai.uiuc.edu/~wanghc/papers/OMNIVIS05_Hongcheng_3192.pdf
http://vision.ai.uiuc.edu/~wanghc/research/editing.html
http://vision.ai.uiuc.edu/?p=299

[...] EOS 5D’s – then the next level is video – Soviet Montage have put together a nice little video that shows how capable the 5D is for more than photography. Clouds produce fantastic effects in [...]

AMAAAZING ! It looks like a video game ! So poetic … WAW !
They should make a movie, or a short-movie, it will be fantastic !
If a movie exists yet, I HAVE TO watch it !

(A comment by a french guy !)

FYI some guy has used a still from this video to sell a crappy iOS app called Flare. Great work though on the vid, I love it.

Ha ha that was us
The app can’t compete with two DSLR’s and a beam splitter, but it’s the best that can be done on an iPhone

Hi, do you offer courses or how can one learn the hdr video technique?
best
JP

We do not currently, as we could not find a way to make it sustainable. However, we will keep it in mind.

Essentially, you can create the same latitude as film using this HDR method…

But if you’re using 2 cameras, you need to fix your exposures, versus being 3 stops + & -, you need 1 stop each way.

I prefer using 3 cameras and a beam-splitter. the 3rd camera being another stop higher (yes higher is preferably better, you need to save those highlights).

And the best color style to use is a plugin called “Technicolor Cinestyle”.

Let me know if you try it.

imsamjacob@gmail.com

Not sure if any one has mentioned this…. but now it’s time to employ  3 CCD video technology,  i.e., using a prism with three CMOS sensors, each streaming a different exposure  to 3 ssd cards, its all quite doable at a cheap price and should provide the capability to do HDR video in an under $1000 camcorder ….

Most HDR out there (like this) looks like dogshit.  There is a proper way to do it in subtle ways that avoids using some cheesy, universal filter and it involves effort and hand-crafting the image with bracket and blending techniques.  (FYI, bracket and blend techniques are the birthplace of HDR)  HDR as we see it today, is mostly a cheap fad bred by the bad habits enabled to us by automated technologies that have no semblance with photography and appreciation of light, dark, and everything in between.  Photography implies just like any other artform, that it is not just
what you can see, it is also what you cannot see, that counts.  HDR is
more often than not, the anti-thesis of this.  The HDR fad rarely expresses a shred of integrity compared to photographic accuracy and integrity.